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 S C I E N C E   V S .   T H E O L O G Y

 "LET ME EXPLAIN THE problem science has with Jesus Christ." The atheist
professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of 
his new students to stand. 
"You're a Christian, aren't you, son?"

 "Yes, sir."

 "So you believe in God?"

 "Absolutely."

 "Is God good?"

 "Sure! God's good."

 "Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?"

 "Yes."

  He considers for a moment. "Here's one for you. Let's say there's a 
sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help
them?
 "Would you try?"

 "Yes sir, I would."

 "So you're good...!"

 "I wouldn't say that."

 "Why not say that? You would help a sick and maimed person if you
could... in fact most of us would if we could...God doesn't."

 [No answer.]

"He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer 
even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? 
Can you answer that one?"

 [No answer]

 The elderly man is sympathetic. "No, you can't, can you?" He takes a sip
of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax. 
In philosophy, you have to go easy with the new ones. "Let's start 
again, young fella."

 "Is God good?"

 "Er... Yes."

 "Is Satan good?"

 "No."

 "Where does Satan come from?" The student falters.

 "From... God..."

 "That's right. God made Satan, didn't he?" The elderly man runs his 
bony fingers through his thinning hair and turns to the smirking, student
audience. "I think we're going to have a lot of fun this semester, 
ladies and gentlemen." He turns back to the Christian.

 "Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?"

 "Yes, sir."

 "Evil is everywhere, isn't it?  Did God make everything?"

 "Yes."

 "Who created evil?

 [No answer]

 "Is there sickness in this world? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All the
 terrible things - do they exist in this world? "

 The student squirms on his feet. "Yes."

 "Who created them? "

 [No answer]

 The professor suddenly shouts at his student. "WHO CREATED THEM? TELL ME,
 PLEASE!"The professor closes in for the kill and climbs into the
 Christian's face. In a still small voice: 
"God created all evil, didn't He, son?"

 [No answer]

The student tries to hold the steady, experienced gaze and fails.

 Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace the front of the classroom 
like an aging panther. The class is mesmerized.
 "Tell me," he continues, "how is it that this God is good if He created all 
evil throughout all time?" The professor swishes his arms around to encompass 
the wickedness of the world. "All the hatred, the brutality, all the pain, all
the  torture, allthe death and ugliness and all the suffering created by this 
good God is all over the world, isn't it, young man?"

 [No answer]

 "Don't you see it all over the place? Huh?"

 Pause.

 "Don't you?" The professor leans into the student's face again and
 whispers, "Is God good?"

 [No answer]

 "Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?"

 The student's voice betrays him and cracks. "Yes, professor. I do."

 The old man shakes his head sadly. "Science says you have five senses you
 use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen 
this Jesus?"

 "No, sir. I've never seen Him"

 "Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?"

 "No, sir. I have not."

 "Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your 
Jesus... in fact, do you have any sensory perception of your God whatsoever?"

 [No answer]

 "Answer me, please."

 "No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't."

 "You're AFRAID... you haven't?"

 "No, sir."

 "Yet you still believe in him?"

 "...yes..."

 "That takes FAITH!" The professor smiles sagely at the underling.
 "According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol,
 science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son? 
here is your God now?"

 [The student doesn't answer]

 "Sit down, please."

 The Christian sits...Defeated.

 Another Christian raises his hand. "Professor, may I address the 
class?"

 The professor turns and smiles. "Ah, another Christian in the 
vanguard! Come, come, young man. Speak some proper wisdom to the gathering."

The Christian looks around the room. "Some interesting points you 
are making, sir. Now I've got a question for you. Is there such thing as
heat?"

 "Yes," the professor replies. "There's heat."

 "Is there such a thing as cold?"

 "Yes, son, there's cold too."

 "No, sir, there isn't."

 The professor's grin freezes. The room suddenly goes very cold.

 The second Christian continues. "You can have lots of heat, even more
 heat, super-heat, mega-heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat but we
 don't have anything called 'cold'. We can hit 458 degrees below zero,
 which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no
such thing as cold, otherwise we would be able to go colder than -458. 

You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We
cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is
energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it."

 Silence. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom.

 "Is there such a thing as darkness, professor?"

 "That's a dumb question, son. What is night if it isn't darkness? 
What are you getting at...?"

 "So you say there is such a thing as darkness?"

 "Yes..."

 "You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something, it is the 
absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, 
flashing light but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's
called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word. In
reality, Darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness
darker and give me a jar of it. Can you...give me a jar of darker
darkness, professor?"

 Despite himself, the professor smiles at the young effrontery before him.

  This will indeed be a good semester. "Would you mind telling us what 
your point is, young man?"

 "Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed 
to start with and so your conclusion must be in error...."

 The professor goes toxic. "Flawed...? How dare you...!""

 "Sir, may I explain what I mean?"

 The class is all ears.

 "Explain... oh, explain..." The professor makes an admirable effort to
 regain control. Suddenly he is affability itself. He waves his hand to
 silence the class, for the student to continue.

 "You are working on the premise of duality," the Christian explains.
"That for example there is life and then there's death; a good God and a 
bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something 
we can measure. Sir, science cannot even explain a thought. It uses
electricity and magnetism but has never seen, much less fully 
understood them. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant
of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is 
not the opposite of life, merely the absence of it."

 The young man holds up a newspaper he takes from the desk of a 
neighbor who has been reading it. "Here is one of the most disgusting 
tabloids this country hosts, professor. Is there such a thing as immorality?"

 "Of course there is, now look..."

 "Wrong again, sir. You see, immorality is merely the absence of 
morality.

 Is there such thing as injustice? No. Injustice is the absence of
justice. Is there such a thing as evil?" The Christian pauses. "Isn't evil 
the absence of good?"

 The professor's face has turned an alarming color. He is so angry he is
temporarily speechless.

 The Christian continues. "If there is evil in the world, professor, and
we all agree there is, then God, if he exists, must be accomplishing a 
work through the agency of evil. What is that work, God is accomplishing?
The Bible tells us it is to see if each one of us will, of our own free
will, choose good over evil."

  The professor bridles. "As a philosophical scientist, I don't view this
matter as having anything to do with any choice; as a realist, I
absolutely do not recognize the concept of God or any other theological
factor as being part of the world equation because God is not observable."

  "I would have thought that the absence of God's moral code in this 
world is probably one of the most observable phenomena going," the 
Christian replies.

 "Newspapers make billions of dollars reporting it every week! Tell me,
 professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?"

  "If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man,
yes, of course I do."

  "Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?"

  The professor makes a sucking sound with his teeth and gives his 
student a silent, stony stare.

  "Professor. Since no-one has ever observed the process of evolution 
at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, 
are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but 
a priest?"

  "I'll overlook your impudence in the light of our philosophical
discussion. Now, have you quite finished?" the professor hisses.

  "So you don't accept God's moral code to do what is righteous?"

  "I believe in what is - that's science!"

  "Ahh! SCIENCE!" the student's face splits into a grin. "Sir, you 
rightly state that science is the study of observed phenomena. Science too 
is a premise which is flawed..."

  "SCIENCE IS FLAWED..?" the professor splutters.

 The class is in uproar.

 The Christian remains standing until the commotion has subsided. "To
continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, may I
 give you an example of what I mean?" The professor wisely keeps silent.

 The Christian looks around the room. "Is there anyone in the class 
who has ever seen the professor's brain?" The class breaks out in laughter.

 The Christian points towards his elderly, crumbling tutor. "Is there
anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain... felt the
professor's brain, tasted or smelt the professor's brain?" No one
appears to have done so. The Christian shakes his head sadly. "It appears 
no-one here has had any sensory perception of the professor's brain 
whatsoever.

  Well, according to the rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable 
protocol, science, I DECLARE that the professor has no brain."

  The class is in chaos.

  The Christian sits ... Because that is what a chair is for.



Talking points

Christian
  • Using popular atheist tactics of argument: semantic games, coercive reasoning and over-simplification to "get them thinking" as many professors have said
  • Presumptions: professor would allow an argument where he did not have final word (not my professors)
    Atheists are willing to listen to a Christian (possible, but not probable)
Atheist
  • A professor of philosophy talking about religion in class: illegal, according to "Separation of Church and State" Note: this is perfecly fine as long as Christianity is mocked, but unacceptable if Christianity is supported by the professor.  Teaching Islam is OK, just not Christianity
  • Philosophy professor talking about science: somehow having some education in the field of Philosophy also makes him an expert in the broad idioms of both science and religion
  • Bullying the students is a fine way to show the professor's "superior argument"
  • Unfair summarization of opposing view: fair tactic for the Professor, but not the student
  • Semantic games: "philosophical scientist," is a self-contradictory term
  • Presumptions: human powers of observation and reason are reliable (that takes FAITH!)
    A good God wouldn't allow evil in the world (opinion)
    The professor has an unbiased and fairly reasoned argument (lie)
    Generous immunity to error (being offended when told his arguement was flawed)
    God created evil, and this couldn't possibly be the result of a corruption of his creation
  • Outright lies: Science says God doesn't exist.  Science cannot observe God, so absence of observation equals proof of no God.  This line of thinking does not apply to the vacume of evidence for evolution (unless one counts the Neandertal, Peking, Nebraska, Java, Piltdown, Archaeoraptor, Miller/Ury experiment, peppered months, and countless other frauds)
  • Admission: His argument is based on the pain his brother's death, not on reason

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